“I never intended to permanently harm anybody, you know?”
Ever since the release of Netflix’s Inventing Anna, the internet has been hooked onto the case of Anna Sorokin, who goes by the infamous pseudonym Anna Delvey.
Anna, if you didn’t know, is a fake German heiress and convicted scammer who moved to New York City in 2014, where she posed as a wealthy socialite for years. She successfully managed to convince several bankers to invest millions of dollars into her business proposals, with the help of falsified bank documents.
In October 2017, Anna was convicted of eight charges, including theft of services and grand larceny. She was released from prison in February after serving roughly four years in jail, but was arrested six weeks later by Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) for overstaying her visa from Germany.
Ever since the fictionalized Netflix series, created by Shonda Rhimes, was released, it’s safe to say that people have only grown more curious about what Anna thinks of her crimes, and the lavish lifestyle she lived for years in New York.
This week, it was announced that Anna had been released from jail and ordered to return to Germany. It’s currently unclear whether she did actually return, with reports claiming on Wednesday that there was an apparent “mix-up” at the US deportation center.
But in spite of all this, Anna actually sat down for a wide-ranging interview days ahead of her ordered deportation with Call Her Daddy’s Alex Cooper — and she spilled a bunch of her thoughts on the public scrutiny she’s facing.
Alex explains in the podcast episode that the conversation with Anna took place over a video chat app specifically designed for inmates. She begins by asking Anna about the widespread rumor of her status as a wealthy German heiress, questioning why people actually assumed she held that title.
“Did you ever at any point in your life tell someone that you were going to be inheriting money?” Alex asks.
Anna simply responds, “No.”
Anna also denies ever telling people she was a German heiress, saying, “No one introduces yourself like that. Like what kind of sentence is that? It’s completely ridiculous.”
And when Alex outright asks how and why people thought she was so wealthy, Anna says that she “cannot testify to what people are assuming about [her].”
“I don’t know, I wasn’t doing anything super crazy. I feel like there’s just people who were spending way more money than I did,” she adds.
But despite denying that she coined or spread any of the rumors about her wealth, Anna notes that she certainly benefited from people assuming she was a millionaire. “I guess it’s just easier to ask somebody for like 20 million [dollars],” she says.
Anna goes on to reveal that at while she was situated at Rikers Island Jail — a correctional center that she spent two years at before her jury conviction — she paid someone to do her laundry for her to avoid having to “hand wash” it herself.
Alex asks, “Wait, so you were paying people off in jail to just, like, do your stuff?”
“Yeah, absolutely,” Anna says. “They actually think I’m like, super rich,” she adds of the other inmates.
Elsewhere in the interview, Alex asks Anna if she lied about her “family’s background, or wealth, or how much money [she] had.” Anna responds: “I guess I did. I mean, I cannot [recall] an exact instance, but I’m sure [I did].”
However, she also says in the podcast that she “never told any senseless lies — unless they were, like, a bank.”
Speaking further about how she presented herself when approaching financial establishments, Anna reveals that she “would always show up underdressed” to give an “I don’t give a fuck vibe,” adding that she didn’t want to seem as though she was keen to impress them.
Alex eventually asks Anna if she considers herself to be a con artist, to which Anna responds: “Absolutely not.”
“I never intended to permanently harm anybody, you know?” she says of the apparent difference between herself and a con artist. “I literally cannot come up with a single example where I’m like, ‘Yeah, let me fuck this person over and they’ll never see their money ever again.’”
“So you think in the grand scheme of things, it was all with good intention, what you were doing?” Alex asks.
“Yes,” Anna replies. “I just didn’t choose the best means to go about it.”